CAMP RISING SUN

Alumni Poll

July 2016

Alumni & Friends of Camp Rising Sun, Inc.

Please scroll to the bottom of the page for the Poll's 10 questions.

Number of Participants:270

Original Objectives as written by CRS Founder George Jonas

"If you love your country, you’ll find ways somehow to speak out to do what you think is right.”

--Pete Seeger, CRS ‘35

Perhaps the same can be said for your camp.

Alumni & Friends of Camp Rising Sun, Inc. remain grateful to the support Pete’s daughter, Tinya Seeger, and friends - RJ Storm, David Bernz & Jacob Bernz – have shown for our efforts.

Background:

Camp Rising Sun, as known to its Alumni for more than eight decades, is at a critical juncture. At the July 23, 2016 Louis August Jonas Foundation (LAJF) Board meeting, the Strategic Planning Committee (SPC) announced their recommendation to “prep Red Hook for five years of non-use,” a major divergence from their stated goal of operating two camps. After the announcement, an LAJF Board member clearly expressed concerns that this was a real change in direction and should be discussed, "...cause right now it’s by omission. It's very like under the tableish… if our initial proposal is to not go do the Rhinebeck thing at all ... our credibility is at stake again."​

In response to these concerns, Board members offered to make changes to the SPC text. The revised text will state that despite the proposal to keep Red Hook closed for five years, LAJF’s goals to reopen Red Hook have not changed. Such a statement, however, is totally contradictory and not credible. The Board also discussed how their future success required substantial increases in Alumni “engagement” in terms of raising funds.

The Board, however, remains completely unwilling to change governance and/or key decision-making By-Laws in relation to its true stakeholders – the “Campers for Life” Alumni, men and women of Camp Rising Sun. The main question for all Alumni in this poll is:

Should Alumni have the right to vote for Board members?

The Camps we love have sustained a significant program curtailment. We are sending this Alumni poll as a way to try and achieve a unified vision, which many Alumni support, to restore Camp Rising Sun to a full summer program on two camp grounds. As noted in the June 2015 survey, most Alumni agree “LAJF should keep the program true to the original program as designed by Freddie.” Unfortunately, many Alumni have chosen to walk away from the organization due, in large part, to the Board’s departure from the original program. You can view the survey, prepared by Jerry Murphy '48-'49 on behalf of LAJF, here:

www.savecrs.org/supporting-evidence

We now have (2) four-week half-season programs instead of a full 7 or 8 week season, and the original CRS site will stay closed for at least five more years. Is four weeks enough time to have a full, rich experience in instruction, construction, journalism, drama, music, camping, and introspection for future campers? The 7 week seasons (since 2010), and 8 week seasons (before 2010), that past Alumni experienced, were with limited technology and enabled the development of close relationships with a diverse group of campers – this special and unique aspect of Camp required dedication to a full summer season. Even the Camp’s original objectives, as written by Mr. Jonas, have now changed substantially. The original and the changed goals, outlined in a report by 11-season veteran counselor Johnny Reinhard ’79-’81, ’88, ’93-’97, ’05-‘06, as well as an unauthorized report on the 2015 four-week experiment by Attila Sebok, ’00 – ‘09, ’15, another 11-season veteran counselor, can be seen in the link below:

www.savecrs.org/supporting-evidence

The Crawford engineering report, the purported basis for reversing the Board’s decision, was flawed in several ways, and it incorrectly stated that the Red Hook septic permit had expired. At the link below you will find a New York State Dept. of Environmental Conservation (DEC) letter indicating that the DEC had allowed for the continued operation of the existing Red Hook septic system under the existing permit. Please note the letter from practicing architect and alumnus, Sam Pugliese ’80, regarding his concerns about the flawed Crawford report. You will also see in the link below a January 6, 2016 email to then LAJF Board President Patrick O’Malley ’80 from Kathleen Schinella, the Department of Health Senior Public Health Sanitarian, who wrote, “I have no proof that” the Willy sandfilter system “(or wastewater samples) was failing in the past few years…. All the other buildings are served by regular septic systems which we have no documentation of failure” either. This email was sent to the LAJF President three days before the Board’s vote to not reopen Red Hook:

www.savecrs.org/alumni-outreach- to-board

Also, please read the letter by the distinguished law firm of Emery Celli Brinckerhoff & Abady LLP, outlining the unfortunate decision by LAJF to not reopen Red Hook, and to ignore the aspirations of an unprecedented fundraising effort by Alumni. The Emery letter also includes a notarized statement by Charles Hulsair, the owner of Hopewell Septic Pumping, a septic contractor with over 30 years of experience who, based on his own examination of the septic conditions at Red Hook on March 6, 2016, stated: “…it is premature to confirm that the septic system has ‘failed’ nor does the Crawford Report provide conclusive evidence that demonstrates that the septic system has ‘failed’….” You may review the law firm’s letter here:

www.savecrs.org/alumni-outreach- to-board

We need to look into what has been lost here; what went wrong? We ask if exploring a greater role for Alumni is needed.

LAJF has a limited endowment with a Board that is entrusted to manage the operation and program in a manner that does not deplete the endowment. Despite an endowment of over $15 million in 2005, the current endowment is a third smaller at only $9.6 million, as confirmed by the Finance & Investment committee chair at the July 23, 2016 Board meeting. Alumni, however, have no formal role in the selection of Board members as an important check and balance in the sustainable management of the Foundation and its program. The current Board is self-perpetuating and self-selecting, and unaccountable to the ​Alumni body in any legal or formal manner. No Board members are elected by Alumni, the only legitimate constituents and stakeholders of Camp Rising Sun. As you can see in the LAJF By-Laws, “Members of the Foundation” (themselves selected by Board members to serve on the Members’ Advisory Council) in turn “elect individuals to membership on the Board of Directors….” You can view the latest LAJF By-Laws here.

www.savecrs.org/supporting-evidence

At their July 23, 2016 meeting, the Board largely omitted any discussion of the 180 degree change in last summer’s decision to support the reopening of Red Hook until such omission was noted, as stated previously. Nor was there any mention of the record $495,000 raised from 319 Alumni in record time to support the reopening. (Most of the $495,000 donated was returned to Alumni as a result of the Board’s failure to fulfill its pledge.) Board members omitted any mention in their decision to forfeit the unprecedented $750,000 offer by Seth Frank ’48, ‘49. It was, however, confirmed that the Foundation, in its current annual fund drive for the fiscal year ending September 2016, has only raised $350,000​ out of its goal of​ $60​0,000, with only ​two months remaining in​ the calendar year. The amount raised so far is on target to make this year’s annual fund drive among the lowest in years.

In addition, in recent years the Board substantially increased the funds spent per week per camper to unprecedented levels when including administration and overhead expenses. Below is a comparison of recent years to prior years, all with the same 120 campers per summer:

2016 costs: $2,500/week/camper: based on approved budget of $1,200,000
2015 costs: $2,737/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,313,676
2014 costs: $2,187/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,836,750
2013 costs: $2,084/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,750,653
2012 costs: $2,050/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,722,390
2011 costs: $1,847/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,551,864

2004 costs: $1,287/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,235,876
2003 costs: $1,213/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,164,635
2002 costs: $1,193/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,145,790
2001 costs: $1,297/week/camper: based on actual spending of $1,245,256

In the early 2000s (and throughout the 1990s) the week/camper cost was typically half or less of the amount presently spent per week per camper with the advent of the truncated 4 week season. Has the current Board been a capable steward of the CRS endowment? What should happen next?

You can see recent LAJF IRS 990 forms and an analysis of LAJF Revenue & Costs from 2000-2012 by alumnus Filip Sulma ’95 here:

www.savecrs.org/supporting-evidence

Proposal:

Preserve the Mission of Camp Rising Sun through governance reform enfranchising all Alumni with the right to vote for Board members in order to improve direct representation of Alumni interests and to sustain the CRS mission. To improve the Foundation’s sustainability, we call for a system which would provide a measure of accountability and guarantee all Alumni of Camp Rising Sun are automatically enfranchised “Members” of the governing structure, with voting privileges and at no cost. We call for a system under which Directors of the LAJF are elected by the new Members of the CRS Alumni community and allowing the entire Alumni body to vote on an annual cycle. Governance reform as such will better represent the entire Alumni community which remains the leading volunteer and financial base of the organization.

Benefits:

Identify potential issues on which to build community consensus. Make Camp Rising Sun sustainable with greater Alumni support, voluntarily and financially, through direct representation of all Alumni.


Dear Alumni,

Please answer each Alumni Poll question below and provide your general comments below. Please let us know how you would improve the selection of Board members and any concerns you may have. For the purposes of these questions, “Alumni” include all former campers, counselors, staff and Board members. We are primarily seeking Alumni participation for this poll. "Friends of CRS" (non-Alumni), however, can also vote, with the results to be tabulated separately.

For additional information regarding our concerns, go to the home page www.savecrs.org and click the link on “SaveCRS Update to Alumni July 2016” Thank you.

* Required

Question #1

Are you concerned about the current state of relations between the Board and the entire group of Alumni?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #2

Do you agree that a change in LAJF governance is needed at this time?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #3

Would you like to see the Board approve fundamental governance reform this summer?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #4

In light of the low amount of donations this year, are you disappointed that the Board of Directors has not done more to unite the entire Alumni body at this time?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #5

Do you agree that changing the method of selecting future LAJF Board members would improve relations with the entire group of Alumni and the Board of Directors?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #6

Do you support enfranchising all Alumni as full legal “members” of Camp Rising Sun with the legal rights and responsibilities therein including the right to vote for future LAJF Board members who would then be more representative of the entire Alumni body?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #7

Should Alumni be granted the right to select at least half of the Board of Directors through an election process?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #8

Are you likely to remain less involved in CRS if the Board of Directors fails to unite the entire Alumni community?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #9

Would your financial support of LAJF increase if the Board of Directors enacted the above referenced changes?

Yes No At this time I need more information

Question #10

Do you feel that if all alumni can vote, it will create a more vital, engaged, giving CRS community? In short, a more healthy CRS community?

Yes No At this time I need more information
Respectfully submitted by the Camp Rising Sun alumni organization:
“Alumni & Friends of Camp Rising Sun, Inc.”

Thank you for your participation:


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Profession:Consultant
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I believe the foundation should conduct a survey among all alumni with respect to all current issues. A concerted effort should be undertaken to develop a representative sample of all alumni .this can be done by updating existing files and enlisting alumni from all camp years to reach out to their peers.All of these efforts could be augmented by utilizing any of a number of online search services Once this is accomplished conduct an unbiased survey among a representative sample of 1000 Alumni. This survey should be designed ,analyzed and administered by a professional survey researcher who has no vested interest in results other than getting paid for his or her time..This person should not be a CRS alumnus or CRS friend. We need impartiality . This should not be a survey of the Pop quiz variety we see on facebook or our favorite.magazine or popping up on our computer screen This would be major project and cost at least $25,000 to conduct. I would be willing to serve on a committee to develop an RFP .and select a vendor to do this. As for governance I believe it make sense for the current board to be augmented by an egual size alumni group nominated and voted in by CRS alumni.This group should have voting power equivalent to current. Board . this will ensure they have some clout.ww I
Name:DerekMaxted
Camp years:63
Country/state of origin:UK
Profession:retired teacher
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:First I refer to my comments in the previous poll/petition (www.savecrs.org/petition), which despite the odd lapse in spelling and grammar, still expresses my emotions about the survival of camp at Red Hook and the preservation of its aims. There is a fundamental issue of more democracy: How does the board establish an electorate and verify qualification of any individual to be a member of it? I don't know what proportion of CRS alumni are 'known' to the databases and I don't think that simply having been a camper or councillor or volunteer at any time in the past really works. I do know that I am regularly asked to vote in board elections for other organisations where the candidates are completly unknown to me - what is the legitimacy of the elected officers? That is also true of the self-elected CRS board and directors who mean no more to me as individuals than the editor and staff of our local newspaper. More democracy is always better as long as the democracy functions with an involved franchise - can we achieve that? Perhaps a couple of hundred active alumni electing a proportion of the board might work, but if the board is split between the elected and the unelected and the elected are seen as unrepresentative then we have not progressed very far. In the meantime CRS as we knew it slips further away. I suspect that the simple way to establish a 'membership' is to create a "CRS support club", charge a reasonable subscription (say $150 pa)and allow members to elect all or part of the board. Lions Clubs, for example, are financed entirely by members' subs and perhaps too there are opportunities for local fund-raising events where groups of members are close enough proximity to organise them. A much stronger role for volunteers within the camp structures should also be a useful survival tool. One thing is clear to me though, CRS is not for sale, Freddy's vision was not a 'brand' and the future of that vision should not be a product of 'market forces' but the result of a clear-headed and rational discussion between all those who care. The board does need to sit down with us at the council ring and participate in that discussion.
Name:MelBrender
Camp years:'61, '62
Country/state of origin:NY/USA
Profession:Retired Software Engineer
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:AJ
Camp years:1996, 1997
Country/state of origin:Washington DC
Profession:Government
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:RobertKaplan
Camp years:'57C
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:historian
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:A small survey I've made of the cost of summer camps in New York State finds that a seven week session runs about 8-10,000 dollars. According to the figure offered above, the cost at Rising Sun for 2016 is about $17,000 ($2,500/wk X 7). The difference between what CRS spends per camper an other camps is even greater than the approximately $8,000 indicated by the above figures. When I was a camper in 1957 CRS was a bare bones operation. Its cost per camper should have been considerably less than the typical profit-seeking summer camp particularly since it benefited from the contributions of alums to maintaining the camp and recruiting campers. The fact that CRS's Board utilizes the long-criticized provision of American foundation law which allows it to maintain secrecy about its expenditures does nothing to contribute to the confidence of alums in its stewardship. Nor does its utilization of the provisions of U. S. foundation law which allows a very small group to maintain control of an institution whose constituents are, in effect, its former beneficiaries.
Name:weswilde
Camp years:'82
Country/state of origin:UT
Profession:Chaplain
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:NadiaMorgen
Camp years:'94C
Profession:Consultant
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:As a counselor in '94, I recall multiple concerns among staff that the board apparently was also questioning. Namely, that staff were too young to mentor high school students; camp aims were unclear (fine arts camp? peace camp?); how was CRS working toward world peace; and how well were we teaching campers to lead rather than follow a set structure. One camper wrote a newspaper article entitled something akin to "Sachem: Leader or Glorified Bell-Ringer?" "Glorified bell-ringer" is an exact quote I've never forgotten. CRS cannot accomplish in four weeks what it once accomplished in seven or eight. It was already an intense program. But, again, aside from the bonding and lifelong networking, what did it accomplish? I'm very concerned about governance. CRS attempts to be a unique institution. If few board members have attended camp, that is a problem. I'm also curious about the Advisory Committee (for those not in the know, federal law requires all nonprofits to have one). Alumni absolutely should serve on this body, and they should be elected by alumni.
Name:OrlandoColon
Camp years:80,81, 87, 96
Country/state of origin:New York, USA
Profession:Teacher/ Athletic Director
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:This has been difficult for me to witness as an alum and as someone who knows most parties involved. This is a unique institution that deserves a chance to flourish again despite many pressures from the economy, our frenzied pace of life and other things. I think the proposal of looking at the governance structure is something that should be looked at and given serious consideration. I think we can figure this out in a way that can answer the many who feel we can work with our cherished place for years to come. I deeply respect all who have dedicated years to help figure out carrying on Freddy's legacy and trust we can come up with a solution.
Name:AttilaSebők
Camp years:'00, '01, '02, '03, '04, '05, '06, '07CD, '08CD, '09, '15
Country/state of origin:n/a
Profession:Singer
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:LajosHopka
Camp years:'91, '97,'98,'00,'07,'10
Country/state of origin:Hungary
Profession:Entrepreneur
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Question no. 10 is not all clear to me, so to be precise: -right to vote on the selection of Board Members - Yes -on other decisions of running LAJF, CRS? - Not in every case.
Name:EliAttie
Camp years:'82-'83
Country/state of origin:NY
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:Samuel FBeltran
Camp years:'80-'81
Country/state of origin:New York City USA
Profession:Education
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:TedLewis (Rexin)
Camp years:NY
Country/state of origin:Labor Director
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:06, 12, 13
Country/state of origin:Camper, Music Counselor
Profession:Diplomacy
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:JeffSudduth
Camp years:83
Country/state of origin:Mississippi
Profession:Auditor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:82
Country/state of origin:US
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:WilliamDekle
Camp years:'82 '83
Country/state of origin:georgia
Profession:business owner
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Camp Rising Sun is likely the most meaningful place/experience in my long life full of experiences. It gave me hope, friends, and perspective when I needed it the most. As as a business professional accustomed to work on boards, I'm surprised at this board's lack of accountability, it's seeming indifference to its constituency, and its failure to reign in its own costs in service to a greater good. I hope for change at the very top - this is inevitable as all trust and credibility has been compromised - regardless of intention - the board cannot continue operating as it has been.
Name:RobBurridge
Camp years:'82, '83
Country/state of origin:USA
Profession:Scientist
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:It's hard to imagine a more leading, biased poll on this topic. Still, the community is clearly fractured, and something drastic probably needs to be done to restore cohesion and optimism for the future. What I don't understand is why there isn't a low-cost solution to fixing the things that need fixing that uses skilled/certified professionals from the alumni community directing labor from the alumni community. Surely there would be a lot of people willing to donate time and effort to rebuild the facilities that need it. Isn't labor usually the biggest portion of cost?
Name:MatsKleivane
Camp years:01, 02, 11
Country/state of origin:Norway
Profession:Physician
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:DonaldSchaaf
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Manager
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:BruceMcClennan
Camp years:56';57
Country/state of origin:Usa
Profession:MD
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:90-91
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Project manager
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:KasperWillemoes
Camp years:Camper 00+01 and 2 years as counselor
Country/state of origin:Denmark
Profession:Entrepreneur
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:CRS has meant more to my life than any other training, education or event. It has shaped and developed me in ways I will forever be grateful for. It saddenes me to observe the development of CRS and while from a distance it can be difficult to stay up to speed and distiguish facts from opinions, two points remains clear for me; 1) The Red Hook site was always a sacred place to me and the history and meaning of the place meant more to me personally than any part of the program or even the people I shared my summers with. Should it come to Red Hook being sold off, it will mean my definite departure from the CRS family as well. 2) Since the financial turmoilt surfaced, I have found the attitude of the people in charge extremely "looser-like." The dependency of alumni contribution is a sign of lack of creativity and willingness to push through. Itis never about what you cannot afford, but rather how you make enough money to buy it, and clearly the strategy so far has failed miserably. If anyone wants my inputs on solutions and possibilities for creating a sustainable economy for the camps then I will be happy to spend my time, but I refuse to contribute to something that is not in line with my perception of camp and does not include the Red Hook site. Thoughts from someone who always imagined himself coming back to Red Hook as a director to inspire the leaders of tomorrow...and someone who is seriously considering to buy the Red Hook site rather than let year's of history, feelings and most importantly; opportunities...flush down the drain.
Name:GordonKaye
Camp years:New York
Country/state of origin:Retired Prof. Of Pathology
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:Francis F.Chen
Camp years:'44-'46
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Physicist/professor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:In "We call for a system under which Directors of the LAJF are elected by the new Members of the CRS Alumni community and allowing the entire Alumni body to vote on an annual cycle." The "new" means the new definition of Members, not really new members. M vs. m is too subtle. Clarify.
Name:SocratesLitsios
Camp years:'51, '52
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:retired
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:PaulCrowson '78
Camp years:'78
Country/state of origin:Mississippi, USA
Profession:Consultant
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:If the alumni were to elect Board Members that decided to keep the Camps where they are, or if the alumni were to elect Board Members that would move the Camps, either outcome would be the decision of alumni – as embodied in votes for candidates who hold those respective positions on that issue. Either way, it would be a fair process and those who are for or against moving the Camps would have no choice but to accept the decision as fair. While the Board remains a closed society of people who feel they have 'bought' their rights to the legacy and can change it as they please, nothing is fair among stakeholders in the legacy. There are ways to have both alumni representation and skilled professionals participate in governance. First, for those who think otherwise, the collective body of alumni is not so dumb as to neglect the need to elect people with appropriate skills. The argument that alumni can not be trusted to elect a responsible board is insulting, and elitist, on its face. The system we have now is collapsing before our very eyes – in spite of all those 'skilled' self-selected Board Members. Second, there are successful forms of non-profit governance available which explicitly embody the needs for both specific skillsets and representation. One of those forms of governance is the dual-board governance model of Harvard University, which has been wildly successful, with governance subject to influence by representatives elected by vote of Harvard alumni. Some variant of that model might be highly appropriate for LAJF. If you are going to choose a model for governance of a non-profit, why not emulate one of the most successful non-profits on the planet? The argument that Harvard is so successful that LAJF doesn't compare is no argument at all, except for those with lack of vision who want to maintain the status quo. Disqualifying the dual-board model of governance on that basis would be like telling small software companies not to incorporate their businesses because Microsoft and Apple are Corporations! In addition, the notion that alumni who have neither time nor money to give away to the LAJF are thus disqualified from having well-informed, thoughtful, and valuable opinions is also insulting and elitist. The constant stream of micro-aggressions from the Board and others against less wealthy or struggling alumni is disgusting. And some Board Members and others apparently like the 'Pay to Play' model until they are told to “Play for Pay” - objecting to donations with strings attached and accusing those among us who have chosen to donate according to those rules as being 'divisive.' They like the rules when the rules justify their elitist positions but then whine about playing by those same rules when they are used by alumni to attempt to guide the Board's actions. Regardless, the current Board remains blind, by choice or by handicap, to the solution that is clearly the answer – involving alumni directly in governance. I, for one, have never donated time or money BECAUSE I perceived very quickly after my summer at CRS that governance had become a closed circle of New Yorkers who were uninterested in my input other than to take my money or time to do with whatever they wished. Others have also expressed similar feelings of alienation and we have been individually and collectively ignored as an asset. Many of us don't live in New York, so we can't supervise expenditures or programs directly, and we can't even have a vote for Board Members who would be somewhat more directly accountable to us for our donations. Will we now magically donate money to save CRS, when we disagree with the Board on so many issues and have no say in governance at all? I won't. We see where the 'Pay to Play' self-selected 'skilled' Board governance model has gotten us. It is clearly time to try something different, and better.
Name:SoojinKim
Camp years:'93
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Email Marketing Specialist
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:DavidFlesner
Camp years:'60
Country/state of origin:Minnesota
Profession:Retired college professor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:A lot of verbiage has passed through this portal. It is time for a brief, succinct statement of goals to be distributed and acted upon.
Name:ThierryPorte
Camp years:1972
Country/state of origin:NY
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I believe that it is quite clear that this situation is at an irreconcilable impasse. The governance sins of the past cannot be overcome. It is time to recognize this fact and to move on. My tropical is that all properties be liquidated and that the Foundation be wound up. Proceeds should be donated to the European camp or to an alternate cause that embodies the Jonas vision. Sadly, the CRS group of all views no longer can represent that vision. I recognize that there has been a well meaning effort by all sides in this controversy but it is time to put this to an end.
Name:MatthewGoon
Camp years:'83, '84
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Investor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:1- Reform the current structure to incorporate more alumni input and representation 2- Increase transparency - would ask the current BOD to provide greater information and communication with the Alumni community. What really are the facts? 3- Preserve both locations and figure out a budget that will work so that alumni understand what the specific fundraising goals are.
Name:MariaSörman
Camp years:'02, '03, '07, '08
Country/state of origin:Sweden
Profession:Chief advisor, public administration
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:The division of our Community worries me, but I don't see the need for changing the by-laws in order to fundamentally change the selection of board members. I still view LAJF as an organization that welcomes alumni involvement, but each individual must take the initiative to contribute and participate. I do however feel that it's important to involve alumni in other ways than though fundraising, in order to keep the Community together, and alumni involved. I encourage continued possibilities to participate in meetings online to enable international involvement.
Name:BenSuratt
Camp years:'81-82
Country/state of origin:Brooklyn
Profession:Medicine
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Changes need to be made now.
Name:KimberlyWalters
Camp years:'90, '94, '95
Country/state of origin:Utah
Profession:Professor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:SoniaWargacka
Camp years:2010, 2015C
Country/state of origin:Poland
Profession:filmmaker
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:StephanBerwick
Camp years:'80
Country/state of origin:NY, USA
Profession:Executive Director
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:IrwinNydick
Camp years:1939-1942;manycommittees
Country/state of origin:New York;USA
Profession:MD
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:Slawomir (Slawek)Magala
Camp years:1966 1974 1979
Country/state of origin:Poland
Profession:philosopher
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:More active involvement of alumni might help though I am not sure how to arrange it. The way i see it is that the neo-liberal illusions that a better management can solve the problems is dead but no alternative had emerged so far
Name:ShanaMontrose
Camp years:'99,'00
Country/state of origin:Colorado
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I don't have enough information to know for certain that having a different board would have resulted in better decisions. However, I do know that there is tension between the board and alumni and that the camp is at a crisis point. I am in favor of moving the camps to a less expensive location/state to ensure the camp can offer 8 weeks to both boys and girls. I don't want to see voting for board members as a way to only elect people who can't see CRS outside of NY and the original camp grounds. I don't think the most passionate (entrenched) alumni should necessarily be the ones elected to the board, but rather those with skills in finance, leadership and experiential education. I would like to see a more diverse board that includes a position for a younger alum who can't afford to make big donations. I think keeping some of the existing board members with a lot of CRS experience is worth considering - a total refresh could feel too disjointed. I'd love to see an injection of new ideas and more continuity, stability, transparency and alumni participation.
Name:MagdalenaMaczynska
Camp years:'90
Country/state of origin:Poland
Profession:Professor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:MarcinRybczynski
Camp years:'79 Poland, '86 Counselor
Country/state of origin:Poland
Profession:Software entrepreneur
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:There are many good examples of alumni self-governance, for example universities. CRS needs to seriously look at modern ways of governance. In addition, a better governance structure is necessary to increase alumni involvement with giving and participation.
Name:DavidHérault
Camp years:'89, 90-16SC
Country/state of origin:France
Profession:Banker
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:RobSarlls
Camp years:78-79 BOD early 90s
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:General Management
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Camp is in a crisis and we need everyone's involvement and input to make it all work. Vesting the stakeholders with the right to elect Directors will be a critical next step to restore trust, reinstate better transparency, and gain buy-in by the broader alumni to more fully financially support solutions for our future.
Name:TheodoreTsipos
Camp years:'13
Country/state of origin:Greece
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:Sze-LingChan
Camp years:'93
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:IT Executive
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I am appalled by the lack of real leadership who is genuinely there for Freddy's mission. As an alum, I do not feel like there are open opportunities for me to be a part of the mission and governing body in ensuring CRS remains sustainable and strong. Every now and then I would see an announcement of a new appointment to the governing body. Usually there isn't even an announcement. I'd get an email asking for donations or a get together (also aimed as getting donations) and notice the signature and title is now a different. I am instantly shocked many times how certain people would even make it to be part of the governing structure. If alumni had a chance to vote I am sure some of them would never be allowed to hold such positions. I loved my experience at CRS and I would absolutely donate but I do not because I see who is in the current governing body and the poor management that I feel my donation would be put to waste and not towards ensuring that the next camper can have the same great experience I did. It's a real shame that the governing body cannot provide proper leadership especially when this is a leadership camp. We have an alumni base that hold various successful careers in society and I am sure that almost all will agree that their camp experience shaped them in some positive way. Many would love to give back and ensure the camp is their for future campers. But for myself, and others I have spoken to, we refuse to participate and donate time or funds to sustaining the camp due to the lack of trust in the leadership of the board and lack of focus on the mission. There needs to be greater transparency between the alumni and the board and there needs to be some voting structure that involves alumni to some degree.
Name:Elizabeth Chun HyeLee
Camp years:'95, '96
Country/state of origin:NY/ USA
Profession:Non-profit
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I support the need for governance change. I would propose 40-50% board representation rather than over 50%.
Name:SamPugliese
Camp years:'80
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Architecture
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:CyrilleHanappe
Camp years:'85
Country/state of origin:France
Profession:Architect
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:JohnnyReinhard
Camp years:'79-'81, '88, '93-'97, '04-'05
Country/state of origin:not camper
Profession:Musician/Teacher
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:It is stunning that an organization this promising is willing to disregard its own children.
Name:Gerald (Jerry)McIntyre
Camp years:58, 59
Country/state of origin:Brooklyn, NY
Profession:Attorney
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:The current divisions in the community combined with the lackluster fundraising demonstrate a need to look at governance issues. Alumni election of board members can be an important step in getting greater engagement of the community. However, it would be a serious mistake to have more than half the board members elected by alumni if we want a board with necessary expertise and diversity. I hope that we can come together on this.
Name:JeanJimenez
Camp years:'13
Country/state of origin:New York, NY
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:NateEarnest
Camp years:camper '04,'05
Country/state of origin:Colorado
Profession:Physics Graduate Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:Karabo M.Thema
Camp years:'13
Country/state of origin:Republic of South Africa
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I'm not well informed about everything that has occurred recently concerning the board and leadership of the LAJF but from the little I know, the board can only do so much to ensure the success of Camp Rising Sun. They are not the only key players in ensuring that the programme flourishes but we also have to play a role as alum who have benefited immensely from CRS. We have to trust that the board has the best interest of the entire CRS Community at heart. Situations are changing economically all over the world and we have to trust that the education and experience our board has acquired over the years is sufficient for them to help the community progress.
Name:WilliamKlaus
Camp years:'83, '84
Country/state of origin:Brooklyn, New York
Profession:Attorney - Disabled
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I support the efforts of Mr. Calderone, though I do concede that this survey, like many, has verbal biases in the questions. But ask any attorney, the one who writes the questions helps dictate the answers.
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:'80, '81, Board Member 1990's
Country/state of origin:NYC, USA
Profession:Attorney
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Thank you for all of you efforts
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:'80, '81
Country/state of origin:NYC
Profession:Government
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:'02
Country/state of origin:Netherlands
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:AlbenaBogoeva
Camp years:'08
Country/state of origin:Bulgaria
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:PaulLombardi
Camp years:81, 82
Country/state of origin:NU
Profession:Orthopedist
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:ClintonMixon
Camp years:'87 - '88
Country/state of origin:Georgia
Profession:USAF Officer
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Not sure of the legality of minors voting with regards to the board members. However, those of legal majority should have the right to vote. It is sad to see an organization so full of hope for the future be torn apart by petty people.
Name:stephenbang
Camp years:'65&66,caretaker'77&78,construction counselorand maintenance chief'79-83,years on program&decades on B&G
Profession:retired historic preservation carpenter
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Freddy told me that he wanted me (us...) to feel that camp was mine/ that I owned it. Engendering this feeling of ownership in alum is how to shift the presently underfunded status quo and restore our proven program. Nothing else could be as moving, as were this Board to contact all alum to say with straight forward humility, "we need your help. Help both to chart the future of our camps, and to provide the money necessary to get there." Note that this is the opposite posturing of the corporate confidence so necessary to outside grant solicitation (posturing that leads alum to feel that all is well in the hands of The Board and holds down participation and support). Routine outreach for substantive input(as done by many of our alma mater),with candidate info and position statements, can keep alum thinking about this important experience and how to save THEIR camps. This IS asking extreme strength and selfelessness from those who already do and give the most, but alum enfranchisement, particularly from a stance of humility, would be the strongest weapon to get increased and consistant alum donation.
Name: (hidden)
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:JonathanSchwartz
Camp years:'00, '01, '07 Staff
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Consultant
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:My understanding is that the Crawford Engineering Report determined that we needed to invest a certain amount of money into Redhook to legally and safely re-open it permanently (in addition to an increase in annual maintenance costs since the property has been neglected for many decades). We as the alumni community tried to raise enough money to make this happen in 2015 and did not achieve our goals, and so we therefore have to come up with a different strategy. I've had the opportunity to work with the F&I committee in reviewing our annual expenses and don't see a way to significantly reduce our costs further without hurting the value of the program. If anyone does see a way to do this please propose it, but otherwise I think we need to recognize that without a much more substantial and sustainable fundraising effort or large donation, we can't support both camps while limiting our endowment withdrawal to 5.5%.
Name:IlyaNovofastovsky
Camp years:'89, '90
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Attorney
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:The Rhinebeck site must resume operations as soon as possible.
Name:JohnTumino
Camp years:Board Member 92-97
Country/state of origin:Brooklyn
Profession:Soldier/Law Enforcement
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:The Current Group of Board Members, circa 2010 to the present, has failed the CRS Community. It is time to enfranchise all Alumni, all over the world, to come back to the Foundation to save it. IF WE DON'T, THE CAMPS WILL DISAPPEAR IN 10 Years or LESS. We have lost our way, for a very long time. It is time to give a rebirth to Freddy's vision of service and self-improvement.
Name:KathrynKassner
Camp years:89-02/sub for nurse
Profession:Teacher
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:Carlos ScottLopez-Gelorminj
Camp years:'85-86, '87CA
Country/state of origin:NJ
Profession:Human Rights Lawyer & Clinical Psychologist
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:TonyaBuckler
Camp years:'97-2001, 2003, 2007CD
Country/state of origin:n/a
Profession:Musician
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:NicholasSkipitaris
Camp years:1980
Country/state of origin:NYC
Profession:Physician
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:WayneTaitt
Camp years:1989
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Technology Services
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:AndrewClateman
Camp years:'81
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Property Management
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:The time has come for governance change and enfranchisement of all alumni.
Name:MarcFilerman
Camp years:'81, '82
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Healthcare Commercialization
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I think that there should be SOME alumni input for the selection of SOME Board members, but that the expertise and diversity criteria with which the current Board selects its members should continue in choosing MOST Board members.
Name:Joseph G.Nemeth, Jr.
Camp years:1965, 1966
Country/state of origin:New Jersey
Profession:Attorney
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I think the preservation of Freddie's Legacy, which is what is ultimately at stake here, should involve input from the entire community e.g. all alums.
Name:MikeSaratovsky
Camp years:98-99, Buildings and Grounds
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Real estate development, construction, property management
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:This poll is poorly done and many better ways to support CRS than thus. Come spend time at Clinton and see the magic of camp in action. CRS is more than just Red Hook.
Name:Ronaldvan Riet
Camp years:1968
Country/state of origin:The Netherlands
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:MisLed
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:In addition to the comments below, 1) This website seeks answers to a poll and then calculates respondents as having voted...voted for what? For that reason I am inclined to answer anonymously only.
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:'02
Profession:Professor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:With all respect for the initiative and time it has taken to draw up this questionnaire, I expected a lot more quality. It's very poorly designed and goes against the guidelines for designing a neutral unbiased poll. It's a missed opportunity.
Name:SandiDuBowski
Camp years:86 87
Country/state of origin:NEW YORK
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Profession:Professor of English
Relationship to Camp:Friend of CRS
Name:DavidIves
Camp years:1989-2000
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I think that this questionnaire is designed to promote the point of view of the authors. In fact, if all alumni can vote, it would result in campaigning for Board membership rather than reasoned consideration of members from different cultures and points of view and expertise. Would there be a minimum number of voters necessary worldwide to participate and how would the bios of the candidates for the board be circulated to make sure that all candidates are fairly considered. I have stated this elsewhere but the goals of CRS have evolved over the years and I understood through Mandy Mascia that satisfaction in life flows from service to others and that was the philosophy of life Freddie wanted to see.
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:'64, '65, '67C, '69C
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:College Professor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:How-how to Vittorio and Carl (my direct contemporaries), who seem to me quite right in what they say, but somewhere along the line the BOD has forgotten that if you close Red Hook (i.e. 'Camp' to many of us still) you sever a vital connection with a very large number of alumni, and ultimately that group is likely to lose interest in an organization no longer attached to their own experience.
Name:AlexanderClaycomb
Camp years:11,12,15,16
Country/state of origin:MN
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:This is a poorly written and unscientific survey. It works to create divisions among the alumni that otherwise would not be an issue. I ask those of you who created this to cease and desist. You've done enough damage.
Name:ChrisVarrone
Camp years:1978-80,84-86C,91-05BOD
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Management Consultant
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:1) reform governance (elect directors) 2) protect Red Hook site (environmental/historical easement) 3) stop spending so much money (stop violating 5.5% Rule)
Name:MyName
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:This website and poll demonstrate that this group continues to invest much time, energy and resources into the fight against the BOD. But I do not see this as admirable. This initiative is just a distraction and the former plea by JC to alumni/ae to ask for their donations to be returned when Red Hook was deemed ill prepared to be re-opened was deplorable as was the effort to bring legal action against the Board. The current Board has made it clear that financial conditions alone have led to the curtailing of the program. There is no conspiracy here against the original ideals of camp. There are no forces working from within the Board to diminish the impact of camp on the lives of the next generation of campers. Save CRS continues to represent a divisive voice within the community that has led to nothing but angst, anxiety and animosity.
Name:VittorioMaestro
Camp years:'61, '62, '63
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Editor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:The poll questions are rather loaded, and the limited multiple-choice answers not necessarily adequate. While polling of alumni can provide useful information to the Board of Directors, this one-day poll will not be broadly representative. To be most meaningful, a poll should be prepared and conducted by a neutral party. That said, I would like to comment on why, to date, I have not joined the Alumni and Friends of Camp Rising Sun, Inc. I applaud the organization and individuals involved for raising issues and delving into the details of finance and infrastructure. And I do in fact support the goal of restoring the boys camp to Red Hook and running both programs full length. However, I have found the attacks against the Board of Directors to be overly confrontational and in some cases personal. I also have not liked the fact that one or more individuals who can afford large donations at this particular time have used that as a tool to sway quick decisions. If the camp program is to be run on a stable financial platform, long-term alumni support is needed.
Name:CarlSchoenberger
Camp years:'66-'67 Camper; 1989-2016 Selector; 2006-2015 BOD; 2008-2013 Chair, Committee on Advancement and Alumni Relations; 2005-2012 Chair, Health and Safety Committee;
Country/state of origin:New York City
Profession:Physician
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Given the significant capital needs at the Red Hook Campus, the only path for it to reopen is to raise a substantial amount of funds to perform the needed repairs. Telling people to take back their donations only delays the time when we can return to a full 7-week program at two sites. It is purely a distraction to spend time and effort trying to get different people elected to the Board (by whatever mechanism) or trying to further cut the Foundation budget. What counts is to donate to LAJF (as I do) and to volunteer to work as a fundraiser (as I do). It is a pipe dream to think that we can secure the future of CRS by cutting staff and closing the NY office. Having spent time at the Foundation when we had a staff of two and a small office in Rhinebeck, and also when, under Judy Fox's leadership we had a robust, professional development effort, I can attest that trying to run CRS "on the cheap" will only hasten the demise of the program we all know and love. So go ahead and respond to these survey questions, but when you finish the survey, go online to the LAJF website and make a donation, and then contact the Foundation to volunteer to solicit others to donate. That is the only way to secure the future of CRS. To quote Bruce Springsteen, "YOU WANT TO PLAY?---YOU GOT TO PAY!!!"
Name:ScottKaye
Country/state of origin:NEW YORK
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:EugeneEoyang
Camp years:51, 52
Country/state of origin:USA
Profession:RETIRED ACADEMIC
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:PeterWong
Camp years:'71 '72
Country/state of origin:NYC
Profession:Retired
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:TomCorcoran
Camp years:79-80
Country/state of origin:NYC
Profession:Physician
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:What are our values as a Foundation and as a community? Are we governing according to those values? Are we treating each other according to those values? Can we do better going forward? What is holding us back?
Name:TheodoraPittara
Camp years:'03, '04
Country/state of origin:Cyprus
Profession:MD
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:ChristinaBusso
Camp years:93, 94, 99, 05-15
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Nonprofit director
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:This survey does not take into account the real legal implications of a membership organization. This is not a matter of perception, it comes with legal requirements. Moreover, there is absolutely no restriction right now on any alumnus/a being nominated for Board membership, or self-nomination. If that is one's interest, go for it! The current structure is not an impediment and the Board would welcome nominations, and always has. Thank you to volunteers and staff who right now are working to maximize the 2016 season at aCRS. This survey is just not helping towards that effort. What a pity some people choose not to be more constructive in their approach.
Name:Addison (Monty)Shultes
Camp years:'54, '55
Country/state of origin:Upstate NY
Profession:retired
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Absent a charismatic "Freddie" replacement, I do not believe that CRS can achieve its objectives. I think the Board should seriously consider other options than running camps.
Name:CharlesPassy
Camp years:78-79, 83C, 85C
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Writer
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I do think there should be a few -- say, 2-6 -- board members that are elected by alumni. I'm not sure I want a board that's fully elected by alumni because I think other considerations come into play.
Name:Jakob SembAasmundsen
Camp years:'12, Selection committee
Country/state of origin:Norway
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:"When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right." - Victor Hugo
Name:EricBrown
Camp years:'64, '65
Country/state of origin:N.Y.
Profession:Retired teacher
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:In order to encourage more alumni to get involved it is very essential that the BOD reflects on why thry should enfranchise all alumi.
Name:ChrisArzt
Camp years:82, 83
Country/state of origin:NY
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:PeterElias
Camp years:'65 counsellor
Country/state of origin:ME
Profession:Physician
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I strongly support election of a portion of the Board by alums. Both philosophically and based on my experience as an active participant in Dartmouth alumni activities, I am convinced this enhances collaboration and improves outcomes.
Name:WilliamTaylor
Camp years:2003
Country/state of origin:Utah
Profession:Project Manager
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:I feel the board is dragging their feet. There are so many avenues we can explore to help the maintenance of CRS Red Hook, but, without having a camp there, everything is merely falling into disrepair and will then have to be sold anyway.
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:1993
Country/state of origin:Brooklyn, New York
Profession:Insurance Sales Director
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:Thanks! :-)
Name:PatrickO'Malley
Camp years:1980
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Medicine
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:This is a divisive and pointless initiative that is woefully uninformed. The survey is laden with an implicit agenda. Our efforts would be better channeled toward working directly with the LAJF which welcomes all alumni to join committees and work toward an optimal future given all our challenges.
Name:DavidLevine
Camp years:'58-'59; current chair of GEJ Scholarship Comm; former member of Selection Comm
Country/state of origin:DC
Profession:Int'l Devel Consultant (Retired)
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name: (hidden)
Camp years:72, 73
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:High tech
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:When the 2nd camp was opened the BoD made an implicit commitment to both camps. However, it has become clear that they let Red Hook deteriorate and redirected the money into Clinton. They grossly underestimated the value that the alumni put in the location and memories associated with Red Hook. These are the alumni who were supporting the foundation. They were sacrificed. When the proposal was made to close Red Hook it was obvious that put no value in the experiences alumni had there. The donations dried up. There is a direct correlation. That fact that the correlation wasn't made by the BoD is stupefying.
Name:KevinMcFarlane
Camp years:84-85
Country/state of origin:New york
Profession:Investor
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:AlexGarcia-Osuna
Camp years:'89, '90
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Licensed Acupuncturist, Teacher
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:JonasZitter
Camp years:Camper '13
Country/state of origin:Netherlands
Profession:Student
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:We need to cone together on this, I know and believe that there is a solution for us out there, but we are not taking the correct measures to get to it. I am in contact with my camp brothers frequently, but none of us really talk about camp anymore. The feeling got while reading this and answering the questions is that we don't appreciate camp enough, we were granted an amazing experience, and now (most of us) leave it at that.
Name:NoelSelegzi
Camp years:'81. '82
Country/state of origin:NY
Profession:Annual Fund Director
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Name:SethFrank
Camp years:'48 & '49; 80's/90's BOD
Country/state of origin:New York
Profession:Attorney (retired); Writer (active)
Relationship to Camp:Alum
Comments:A house divided cannot stand. Taxation without representation cannot survive. We must open doors to let everyone in, not build walls to keep people out. We owe it to ourselves and to Freddie Jonas who gave us so much.